Yuan Shao Situation

[colby]

Seeing as people appear to be confused i will put up this thread to explain it. Yuan Shao has proclaimed himself to be an "Emperor" not the "Emperor" thus making him an enemy of the state. The mods have agreed to this allowing him a higher income however; his enemies will stretch a little further due to this rash and disgusting action. The money is merely given so he has a little more chance of living against his enemies - if found to be too much or too little it can be altered. (His officers also get more pay)

Nobody else can do this, otherwise everyone will be claiming 1,000 gold and its just unfair. If you want to become Emperor please do it the old fashioned way of capturing him or killing him or using the Imperial seal. Although it wasn't perfected in an amazing manner; it is a good plot line and will hopefully draw everyone together. Yuan Shao sacrafices his relations with everyone to increase his income - fairplay. This makes him an enemy to the Han as well as anyone else who wishes to conquer seeing as he outguns us all on gold.

This may seem overpowered and unfair but i will be monitored and controlled as much as possible. We give Yuan Shao a little funding against the huge force that should be countering him (theres always the chance people may support him?) The fate of Yuan Shao practically lies in how he works and how the "coalition" reacts. Most of this is straight-forward but i thought i would clear it up for everyone.

We also need to consider IC choices.

Yuan Shao is quickly becoming old. He dies in 202 Historically (Though this isn't historical) He is in his last stages of his life.

Yuan Shao's free people of the North will not favour him for his selfish choices to promote himself as the Emperor unless he treats them well.

He is a criminal of the Han and has betrayed the Emperor. Removal of this man will be highly rewarding.

[Liu Biao]

Only thing i would like to add all Yuan Officers who are claiming troops in the time stamp. Your not allowed special troops i.e Wuhan Mountain cavalry so change that please.

Also maybe other leaders should be allowed to if Justin is allowed to do so. After all there are some pretty major downsides to declaring yourself emperor.

[Norion]

No. We don't need anymore Emperors. It's a good plot-line to have one person declare themselves Emperor. We don't need 8 different 3 city Empires in China, that's a terrible idea.

[Yuan Shao]

Liu Biao: You are wrong. It only says that the troops we get have to be related to the area's that we control, and we meet the requirements for Wu Han Mountain Cavalry. So, sorry.

[Liu Biao]

Sorry Yuan Shao but i think not these are almost like default starting troops another area your not allowed special troops. I could have started with Elite Jing messengers but was denied there for exactly this reason. Its not allowed I'm sorry but thats the way it is.

[colby]

I'd have to agree with Liu Biao on this one. This is a spam of unfairness. Stick to defaults please. Wu Han calvary are elite and very expensive.. your whole team can spam them and promote a complete unfair army. Don't get me wrong you can buy them, but i'm not allowing you to have elite units for your time stamp bonus, nor anyone

[Wen Chou]

I'll comply with that.

[Chen Gong]

Lord Cao Cao, perhaps you can persuade the Emperor to raise his own army under his command and push into He Bei. Showing Yuan Shao the Son of Heaven is not weak.

Yourself and Lord Lu Bu can bring your elite elements as tag alongs and advisors to the Emperor.

[Yuan Shao]

They've gotta kind of focus on fighting LI Jue, that was their original coalition's intent, and as far as everyone else is concerned, no one really knows he's emperor, except Li Jue and Guo Si.

And I can understand. Just make sure of two things if you don't want us having Wu Han ; A) Everyone who is accepting these troops actually posts what troops they are B) No one else is getting "Special" troops (Both of these are being violated currently).

I don't see how saying "I"ll take 4,000 troops, eventually, based on what I need at the time) is any more fair than me taking Wu Han...

[Shen Pei (Tuvlan)]

Mm. Sirs, if you will.

Unless milord Yuan Shao will speak again (which will override my statement), I propose this in regards to the Wu Han:

Edit: Milord Yuan Shao has indeed spoken again, but I request that you look upon these points as matters of reinforcing milord's argument.

-You are the moderators. However, you did not utilize the power of the English language to spell out the specifics. So that you may avoid a potential situation to this with us or anyone else on the site again, please use specifics.

Ex.: "You may recruit 2000 regional troops from any region that you control's region-specific units. This does not comply with the "special units" of that region, regardless of if you have them unlocked or no."

While not the most elegant example, it spells to the point and extent and can easily be reworded. The extra caloric consumption from your quick fingers will not be that much more and will be appreciated highly from both members and yourself from the avoided stress of further clarifying yourself.

If not for this, then very literally, Liu Yan would be (unless I am mistaken, which you are saying we/I am) stating that all troops that we have rights to access to (whether it be as a ronin of a specific region, an officer of a ruler with control of a specific region(s), or a ruler with control of a region(s), as we have access to the Wu Han Cavalry units, which Yan Liang and Chunyu Qiong have worked hard for us for.

I apologize for the run-on sentence. It is this amongst other reasons that I no longer choose to mod.

Additionally, with due respect, I shall select my alternative troop choice, but I shall not delete/edit the former selection of units until I hear from Liu Yan himself.

Understandably, of course, I am assuming that as Mr. Cao has the prerequisites to obtain the "Heavy Zhongyuan Cavalry" and potentially the "Zhong Daomen" that you too shall adhere by these restrictions as you have selected to select unselected units at a later time. I assume this not with a sense of accusation, but rather in allaying suspicion that my closer compatriots may have. I do this so as to legitimize my faith in your RP integrity to watch over your own forces carefully, in the name of fairness. While a bit more selective in my audience this time, I do appreciate the time you have taken to read this and it is my personal hope that no personal feeling of grudge may be held against me for it.

-If Yuan Shao's force is not allowed special units, then obviously neither is our poor compatriot Tan Zhi Han.

Tan Zhi Han has my sympathies, as I find him a comrade of similar boat, due to his special unit selection.

-I apologize, but I must bring up again the "unselected units," and ask if this may be legitimately be done as opposed to actually being selected outright. So too have your forces chosen to state that you wish to select your units after the battle of Xu Chang, but if you will bear the comparison, so too is Yuan Shao's force similarly engaged. However, we have chosen not to put off the selection of our units in the open.

My lord, I must selfishly ask... no, this time, request as a request may be more easily dismissed as I am not a mod and not of high standing in rank that your forces select your units outright. I ask this too in the name of fairness of the situation, as otherwise it may draw upon the suspicion that the selection of units at a latter time may be chosen with knowledge of thine enemy's troop formations. I will trust that you yourself are a man who stands with meta-gaming beneath him, but as this is the misfortune of our first meeting, that you boon us, the forces of Yuan Shao with the selection of your forces pre-determined.

I thank you all for taking the time to read all of my inquiries, requests, and observations.

[colby]

I'll leave this up Steve, but however allowing everyone to have "Elites" is unfair in my opinion. 4,000 troops for a leader is more then we have already.. aswell as a majority of our army being made of elites. The troops are very costly and this is very overpowered. I understand that you have done alot of work, but so have most of the rulers and officers of this site.

I do not wish to take elites, because its stupid doing so. The elites are the well trained, they would come so easily. I will leave this up to Steve to decide but allowing you this merely creates an arms race which i do not want. The time stamp was formed to give people the forces and the lands they needed to keep up, not to create Superpowers. You clearly can access the elite units like i can, but that makes it unfair on everyone else.

You do not require the elite units, nor do I and therefore i consider it unneccesary as much as we argue. Therefore i am denying anyone elite units from the Time-stamp bonus until otherwise notified. I do not hold a grudge against you, and i'm merely do this to uphold fairness. Within 4 years, Yuan Shao would not be able to train over 6K Wu Han Elite Horsemen. No matter how much you argue it is too much.

Once more i will leave this down to Liu Yan, Steve. But, in all fairness.. i have granted you Emperorship and your income.. as well as you being one of the highest populated factions and having some of the highest skilled players. I really don't think you need to have some of the strongest units on a high supply either.

[Liu Biao]

I would have to agree its not like it takes long to state exactly which type you want so this unselected troops needs to stop as well. If anyone has done that they need to go back and edit as well as those with elite troops weather your a yuan member or not clearly.

Steve might override us on this but i rather doubt it the whole idea of the time stamp bonus was to make things more equal for everyone. That clearly would not work with some people getting elite troop types and others not.

[Yuan Shao]

I already said I don't have a problem not selecting Wu Han. It's bullshit, but whatever, i'm used to it. What is the worst offense is that people aren't saying what units they want, they just want to say "I'll select 4k units when I know what I want" which isn't in the spirit of what the time stamp bonus should be.

[The Butcher]

I think most of the mods are in an agreement that you should only be able to select your starting regional troops (which is not bullshit, just logical) and you need to name the troops you are collecting.

I am honestly surprised people did not do either of those things. Why would the rules from before, now not be a requirement? You are already getting free troops, what more do you want?

[Norion]

I WANT MY MAGICAL FUCKING UNICORN-FAIRY CAVALRY.[/u][/i][/b][/color]